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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and last year we

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finished off with a huge interview with

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xcia john ramirez john has done many

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many interviews now over the last few

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months and his his story is fantastic

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has his manner the way he speaks what he

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speaks about is incredible and we didn't

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get all the time we wanted in the last

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interview to really get through as many

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of your listener questions as we could

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so john has kindly come back on in this

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new year to get through some of those

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listener questions and the time that

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we've got so john welcome back to the

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podcast

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uh andy thanks for having me back

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it's a pleasure and i know many many

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people are looking forward to hearing

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from you again uh i'm going to be really

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selfish and kick off with one of my own

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questions though john because just a few

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hours ago i was i was scrolling through

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my twitter feed and i noticed you had

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replied to jay christopher king of the

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experiencer group who was interviewing

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leslie kane yes and if you don't mind

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i'll read your question your question to

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jay was hi jay my question is

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are you aware of the government's

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interests and experiences as sources of

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information and understanding the

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complexity of the phenomenon in other

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words did the uap task force interview

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experiencers

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now my question to you john off the back

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of that is that just a curiosity of

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yours or does that question come from a

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it really doesn't come from a place of

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knowledge it's something that i'm very

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curious about because i believe that

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unless we have the experiencer

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contributing to the dialogue that we're

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already getting part of the story

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and it's hard to deny that people have

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experiences with the phenomenon there

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are so many witnesses to this

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in fact the fact that uh

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dr lakatsky in his uh skinwalkers of the

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pentagon book talked about these

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experiences that are hard to explain

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the hitchhiker effect and so forth i

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if it's in the book that the dia has

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as being unclassified and

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you would think that the government has

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some knowledge of it and i'm curious

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because leslie king has so

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many deep contacts within the government

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if she could

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perhaps enlighten us as to whether or

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not experiencers

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have any contribution to make or have

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year seems a long time away i i done a

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allowing them the chance to share their

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story it wasn't digging in and picking

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let people decide

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uh and one of the experiencers we were

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having a conversation back and forward

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john and he was really frustrated at the

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lack of representation uh at the

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governmental level or just at the table

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of conversation

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and i i put to him that i strongly feel

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that it's very likely that some of these

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influence are potentially experiencers

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that experiencers do have a seat at the

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table as such what do you think the

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possibility of that is

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cia i've talked to other cia officers

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interviewing lou elizondo i would ask

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him lou have you had experiences

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ever asked that or if they have he

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probably did not answer it um but

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curiosity but also

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the fact that so many of us in

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government have had experiences

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flew the fa-18s have had experiences

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nimitz uh aircraft carrier uh but i

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he has had experiences when the teddy

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if she could like enlighten us if she

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lou coming out and saying they've had an

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experience if they had i believe

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end of unidentified series one or series

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experiences and it's one of those

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moments where he says

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he's not going to talk about that at the

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moment he takes the mic off and stands

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up and for the camera it's like a

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powerful moment i imagine though if if

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someone like lou comes out or

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help it off and says

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yep i've had experiences i'm an

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experiencer i've had x y or z happen to

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someone like lou and fox news or cnn or

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good morning america that's the focus of

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the interview not the political progress

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those conversations because it takes

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away from a mainstream not people like

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something that it's a frustration people

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that i am one but other people who i've

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i just see it as being a few years down

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the line still before the mainstream can

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can swallow that pill do you think

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um in the ndaa um there is a uh a

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provision in it

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physiological and psychological effects

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of encountering the phenomenon

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so that might be a segue into

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a honest discussion about experiences

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it's the baby steps isn't it where

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you're you're starting to talk about as

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that that could be something that's huge

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in the future insurance payouts for

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people who have had experiences and if

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you've been in the military and and

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you're your craft your aircraft is next

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dollars of payouts

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it really opens up a bit of a pandora's

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box of where the conversations could

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conveying to us i think that's as

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important if not more important than you

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politicians talking about their

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experiences people like yourself

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how do you think the public would react

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to that hearing that conversation which

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aspects of this whole discussion

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happening in a serious way

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do you not feel there would be a fear

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factor then from the public because

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that's going to be the first thing

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science mission of it in june of 2022.

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the government hasn't really explained

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the uap presence yet

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other than okay there's videos we have

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three of them

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but they've not really acknowledged

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or given us any more detail of the other

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craft that was part of the uap task

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force

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so i think we need to talk about the

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other craft there are 140 other than the

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three that we know about and plus one

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balloon there are 140 craft

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that the government really hasn't

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explained as to what they are

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now one of them they obviously said was

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a balloon

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so it leads me to believe that 140 that

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the government has data about

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are not balloons

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there's things that they can't explain

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um and i wish they would explain that so

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i think they need to come out with a

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more thorough

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disclosure

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or dissemination of what this 140 craft

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were

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and to the point that what i wanted was

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dates

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times and locations

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and going back to your experience of

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question then

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um let's say i've experienced um

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something on a certain date and a

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certain time associated with a certain

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thing i saw in the sky an orb

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let's say

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and if the government has data on that

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orb at that location on that date and

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time that gives me some validation that

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what i saw was real

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uh so i think they need to talk about

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that first they probably just do the

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nuts and bolts material science part of

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it

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before they even address the experience

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part of it but you made a great point

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andy there's probably liabilities

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about any kind of harm that that

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experience may might have caused

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i have not had

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anything debilitating happen to me

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unlike those who've experienced the

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hitchhiker effect

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and whether that's just skin walker or

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that's actually part of a larger uap

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experience i don't know i don't think

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the book went into

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a lot of detail on the experiencer side

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they basically talked about skin walker

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and the phenomenon there

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so

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yeah i think

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baby steps as you say

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and then maybe along the line uh we'll

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get an honest discussion

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the last report is due

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30 september

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2026.

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that's when the legislation

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has provisions for reports from the

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department of defense what happens after

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that i don't know

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um but

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you know i was listening to lou on coast

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coast am

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and he keeps saying

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well i can't explain now and i'm

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paraphrasing so forgive me lou if i got

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it wrong

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but he keeps saying um well you know why

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don't you just have a hobby for the next

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five years pick up like something pick

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up a hobby go fishing whatever

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and

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the answer will come in five years

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and so that's like 2026 2027 thereabouts

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so maybe that's when we get the full

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depth

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and scope and the full breadth

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of what's really going on

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one more thing i want to touch on john

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that you mentioned before i get to the

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listeners questions

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you mentioned about as an experiencer

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you really want to know are these

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one

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set of beings that are manifesting

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themselves in different ways or are we

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dealing with multiple different races

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entities beings you know

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in in your own mind is there a

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difference between if it was either or

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do you have a preference or what do you

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think the the connotations are of it

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being a race of beings manifesting in

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different ways

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or that we have various different races

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of beings

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i don't have a preference i think

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them

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they being beings of non-human

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intelligence is enough for me

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uh and then i'll be curious to know

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where did you come from how long have

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you been here

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that would be my second question after

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identifying who they are

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but i don't have any preference myself

403
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having said that

404
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i acknowledge that not not all

405
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experiences have been pleasant for the

406
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experiencers

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some have had

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harmful effects

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both physically and psychologically

410
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so i have not had that type of

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experience

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but since i've had more i would say

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benevolent

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or let's say not malevolent

415
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experiences and other people

416
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have had more malevolent experiences

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it would lead me to believe that

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they're different and they have

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different agendas and what

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are the agendas and how does that

421
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matrix back to who they are and where

422
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they came from and why are they here

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no certainly let's get into these

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listener questions john thanks for those

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answers

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the first one is from look up lulu um

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what do your old colleagues think of

428
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your recent decision to come out

429
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uh they're highly supportive

430
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um so when you say old colleagues i'm

431
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not meeting the entire cia

432
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but the people i've known that i've

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still have contact with

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and to be honest it's not like dozens

435
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it's basically like a half a dozen

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people

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that have maintained a personal contact

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with since 2009 when i retired

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they're highly supportive

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have you had any colleagues that you

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either were friendly with in the past

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but had lost contact or people that you

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worked with that you weren't necessarily

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friendly with get in touch with you

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since to to voice their opinion on what

446
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you're seeing what you're doing and

447
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any behaviors

448
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no but if they're out there listening to

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00:16:22,150 --> 00:16:20,399
this i wish they would contact me

450
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that would be excellent i would love to

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talk to them

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and encourage them if they're retired

453
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to encourage them to come out with what

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they know

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in the proper way like i did i went

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through the front door i am not a

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whistleblower everything i say

458
00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:37,680
uh needs to be unclassified cia says you

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can talk as long as it's unclassified

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which is why

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i presented the 74 slides with

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everything i could think of that that

463
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made sense to me the way i connected the

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dots i put in things that i don't

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necessarily hold

466
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tightly at all

467
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a lot of it i hold very loosely but in

468
00:17:01,030 --> 00:16:58,560
order to talk about it officially i need

469
00:17:02,470 --> 00:17:01,040
to put it in there for cia review

470
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so when they see the slides they think

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oh john believes this and john believes

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00:17:07,990 --> 00:17:05,039
that

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not necessarily but i've heard this from

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others

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and i've experienced some of it myself

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so it's it was worthy of me to put it in

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the slides so that cia can say no you

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can't talk about this or yes you can

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so yes i can talk about everything i say

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and so with those guidelines in place i

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hope to encourage others

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who have

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information

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way i did unclassified

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uh so that they can share their

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information with all of us and maybe

487
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someday you can interview them

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yep if they're there get in touch i know

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on rhine sprague somewhere in the skies

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he he spoke to um adrian and his son

491
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name escapes me who apparently listening

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to this podcast decided to come out and

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share his story about events at the uap

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um with uap at nuclear facility so again

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if that if that is the case then

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fantastic reach out to myself or reach

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out to any of the other podcast sources

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and get in touch but yeah my pleasure to

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speak to you um a follow-up question

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though john from look up lulu was with

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your technical background

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is there an affordable and accessible

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way the general public can detect uap

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00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:14,880
well um

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i've had an interesting experience this

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past weekend my wife and i went up to

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sedona arizona

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and we went on the ufo tour

509
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hosted by melinda leslie

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and it was a group of us i think seven

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people plus linda melinda

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and we went to a location that was open

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skies

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and she handed out

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laser pointers and these military grade

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goggles and told us about some of the

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past

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encounters they've had with things

519
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:47,919
flying up in the sky

520
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now having worked in the intelligence

521
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community

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and having used data from these

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satellites

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i kind of know what to look for in a

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satellite and i kind of know what the

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00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,600
performance of a satellite is when it's

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in orbit

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and one thing the satellites don't do is

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maneuver

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and i also know that if it's an aircraft

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helicopter jet military jet commercial

532
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flight

533
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that they do have navigation lights

534
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flashing

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for example a military craft will flash

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three lights in rapid succession

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so that you know that's a military

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airplane

539
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um but what i saw

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were

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objects in the sky

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that had a steady trajectory and most

543
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satellites go from west to east

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or from the

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southwest to the northeast

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or from the northwest

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to the southeast

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they're basically going from one's left

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to one's right

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but there were those i saw that did not

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do that

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they were actually

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flying

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to the point where

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i saw one through those goggles it was

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orange with the unaided eye

557
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,080
looking at it through the goggles of

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course everything turns green

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and i looked at it and we all saw this

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orange orb

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and it was hopping and skipping it

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around left and right a little bit to

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and fro looked at it through the goggles

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and it was a bright object doing that

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and i said that's not satellite

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that is not a satellite and with some

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00:20:33,510 --> 00:20:31,360
laser pointers

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00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:33,520
you can point lasers in the arizona

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skies if you do not laze an aircraft

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so you make sure it's not an aircraft

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and it's something high in the sky that

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00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,600
we see with the military-grade goggles

573
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:45,520
and we did three flashes quick in

574
00:20:50,230 --> 00:20:48,159
succession and watched the object

575
00:20:51,430 --> 00:20:50,240
through our goggles all seven of us plus

576
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:51,440
melinda

577
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:56,710
did anyone film or was there any

578
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:58,320
pictures taken or again was it just

579
00:21:02,789 --> 00:20:59,600
through the goggles

580
00:21:05,750 --> 00:21:02,799
fortunately

581
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:05,760
happened to be a film crew there doing a

582
00:21:10,950 --> 00:21:08,640
documentary about melinda leslie

583
00:21:13,029 --> 00:21:10,960
and i don't know what they got but

584
00:21:15,510 --> 00:21:13,039
apparently i heard that they did get

585
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:15,520
some video of what we saw

586
00:21:19,830 --> 00:21:17,600
so that's all i can disclose because i

587
00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:19,840
think it's in pre-production

588
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:22,000
um and so i'll wait for melinda to

589
00:21:24,870 --> 00:21:22,880
either

590
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:24,880
talk about it or the production company

591
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:26,960
to talk more about the release of their

592
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:28,240
documentary

593
00:21:32,149 --> 00:21:29,520
that's good to hear that something is

594
00:21:33,510 --> 00:21:32,159
captured on on camera and um that will

595
00:21:35,990 --> 00:21:33,520
look forward to that potentially coming

596
00:21:38,549 --> 00:21:36,000
out through melinda as well uh next up

597
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,559
jay zeb asks john in your opinion what

598
00:21:42,149 --> 00:21:40,640
would full disclosure look like from the

599
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:42,159
government

600
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,080
i have no idea i i know one thing that i

601
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:48,799
don't think it's going to be

602
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:51,039
that a president of the united states

603
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:52,720
standing

604
00:21:57,909 --> 00:21:55,600
at the podium or in the oval office

605
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,919
having a talk with the american people i

606
00:22:02,230 --> 00:21:59,760
i don't see that happening

607
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,240
i think it will be through the

608
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,880
legislative process of having

609
00:22:09,909 --> 00:22:07,520
witnesses appear before congress from

610
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:09,919
the government giving public

611
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,520
unclassified testimony and if there are

612
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,039
classified things they need to talk

613
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,360
about because i would imagine

614
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:19,760
if the data came from a classified

615
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,320
source such as a satellite that they do

616
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,720
not want to acknowledge the existence of

617
00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:26,720
that it will go behind closed doors a

618
00:22:30,549 --> 00:22:28,480
closed door session but i think it's

619
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:30,559
going to be something like that

620
00:22:32,789 --> 00:22:31,520
where

621
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:32,799
witnesses

622
00:22:37,590 --> 00:22:35,600
every 180 days or within the 108 day

623
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:37,600
report or whenever congress wants them

624
00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:38,880
to appear

625
00:22:41,909 --> 00:22:41,120
that they will talk about

626
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:41,919
what

627
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,120
data they have collected

628
00:22:49,110 --> 00:22:47,440
that went into that report so it's going

629
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,120
to be more like what we're experiencing

630
00:22:53,510 --> 00:22:50,799
now

631
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,520
there will be like maybe videos shown

632
00:22:58,789 --> 00:22:55,600
they might be more eye witness

633
00:23:00,870 --> 00:22:58,799
testimonies of military personnel

634
00:23:03,110 --> 00:23:00,880
um government officials

635
00:23:05,270 --> 00:23:03,120
whoever's dni

636
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:05,280
uh after avril haynes or maybe april

637
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:06,640
haynes herself

638
00:23:11,909 --> 00:23:09,520
would eventually talk about this

639
00:23:14,470 --> 00:23:11,919
in a more what i call a control

640
00:23:16,230 --> 00:23:14,480
dissemination way

641
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:16,240
and to a point where

642
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:17,039
then

643
00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:18,720
maybe a president

644
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:20,799
or i'm hoping that this will happen in

645
00:23:25,430 --> 00:23:22,960
other countries as well and maybe prime

646
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,440
ministers and presidents to me that is

647
00:23:30,789 --> 00:23:28,159
the stronger case appear at a u.n

648
00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:30,799
general assembly meeting and talk about

649
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,679
this

650
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:32,960
honestly

651
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:35,520
that's what i see as happening but not

652
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,679
like

653
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:39,919
out of the blue here's the president

654
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,960
saying

655
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,640
oh by the way

656
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:45,279
these craft are real and we have e.t

657
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,679
non-human intelligence beings on the

658
00:23:51,190 --> 00:23:49,440
planet that's not going to happen i

659
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:51,200
don't think that will cause a panic or

660
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:52,240
cause

661
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,760
uh some effects that are will be

662
00:23:57,669 --> 00:23:55,440
unintended

663
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,679
the the un being the platform for that

664
00:24:01,909 --> 00:23:59,360
potentially would be interesting and we

665
00:24:03,750 --> 00:24:01,919
know through san marino that there's the

666
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:03,760
potential for project titan are

667
00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:06,559
submitting a case to to have a small

668
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:10,240
very small uap office um paul gazady was

669
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:11,679
on the podcast last year he's the

670
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,080
italian representative of icer and part

671
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,400
of project titan and he mentioned that

672
00:24:21,029 --> 00:24:18,000
they would look to have maybe a one or

673
00:24:23,029 --> 00:24:21,039
two two-person body within the u.n to

674
00:24:24,710 --> 00:24:23,039
again investigate and study ufos which

675
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,720
would be amazing

676
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:26,720
but what do you think the chances are

677
00:24:31,830 --> 00:24:29,520
that we get some form of disclosure or

678
00:24:34,310 --> 00:24:31,840
even high quality evidence from

679
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,320
something like the galileo project or

680
00:24:39,990 --> 00:24:37,760
our uapx which are private organizations

681
00:24:42,710 --> 00:24:40,000
looking to carry out this sort of work

682
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:42,720
i think the chances of that happening

683
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,960
will be much greater than coming from

684
00:24:48,870 --> 00:24:47,039
government because this is citizen

685
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,880
science

686
00:24:53,110 --> 00:24:50,799
and in both organizations

687
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,120
you have the participation of those who

688
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:55,840
were associated with the government

689
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,159
uh for example i believe that hal put

690
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,799
off has joined

691
00:25:04,789 --> 00:25:02,880
project galileo if i'm not mistaken i

692
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,799
think i read that recently

693
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,960
so somebody of that caliber joining a

694
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:09,679
citizen science organization like that

695
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:12,000
speaks volumes as to

696
00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:14,400
first the seriousness of these civilian

697
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:16,960
organizations and you know just because

698
00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:18,799
it's civilian science

699
00:25:22,950 --> 00:25:19,760
i don't

700
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:22,960
believe that they will not have

701
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:25,120
impressive capabilities

702
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:28,000
what you can buy in commercial space now

703
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:31,039
in terms of like infrared devices

704
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:32,960
uh is phenomenal

705
00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,520
phenomenal really great advances in the

706
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,000
devices that can capture data

707
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,440
so i think it will happen that way first

708
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:43,360
and of course um

709
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,000
from the government science perspective

710
00:25:50,230 --> 00:25:48,720
um i have high hopes for the james webb

711
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,240
space telescope

712
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:52,799
finding something

713
00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:54,480
what what do you think the james webb is

714
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:57,039
likely to find because i think

715
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,640
we're still a long ways off having

716
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,200
cameras that pick up 8k images of of

717
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,200
galaxies far away and very it's still

718
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:05,279
very scientific because what we've been

719
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:07,840
used to hearing is that they they still

720
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,279
measure that there's a planet in front

721
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,200
of a star because they see a spot of

722
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:12,799
light it dims and they can measure it

723
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,279
which is incredible to think of but

724
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:17,760
what's the james webb likelihood what's

725
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:19,279
the likelihood of it capturing something

726
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:21,440
and what would that something be

727
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:25,840
spectrographic data across many bands

728
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:28,000
of infrared

729
00:26:32,230 --> 00:26:29,279
and there

730
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:32,240
if you know something about

731
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:33,840
spectrographic

732
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:36,320
analysis

733
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:38,559
chemists and other scientists can tell

734
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,400
the composition of something

735
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:43,200
by looking for peaks

736
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:45,360
in the ir wavelength

737
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:48,159
so we have data databases

738
00:26:53,590 --> 00:26:51,200
that will show us if you have

739
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:53,600
a line of a certain element what what

740
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,600
that would look like

741
00:26:59,909 --> 00:26:57,600
across the ir spectrum there will be a

742
00:27:02,149 --> 00:26:59,919
peak there or peaks representing a

743
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:02,159
certain type of element so when you look

744
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,120
at

745
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,799
an exoplanet

746
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:06,960
instead of just looking for dimming of

747
00:27:10,950 --> 00:27:08,960
light from a star

748
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:10,960
there's a strong possibility that they

749
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:13,440
can actually see the composition

750
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:16,480
and the atmosphere of that planet so

751
00:27:20,230 --> 00:27:17,919
what would you look for

752
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:20,240
water vapor has been mentioned by nasa

753
00:27:23,350 --> 00:27:22,080
as one thing the james webb telescope

754
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,360
can detect

755
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,440
the other is methane

756
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,320
methane is organic if you find methane

757
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,799
and water the chances of that planet

758
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,880
being able to host life or the

759
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:36,240
beginnings of life is very very high and

760
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,360
there are other

761
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:39,919
elements that can be detected

762
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,799
that

763
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:43,120
can be correlated to

764
00:27:49,269 --> 00:27:47,279
a planet habitable for life

765
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,279
i'm certainly excited to see what james

766
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,600
webb throws up and and the potential

767
00:27:55,029 --> 00:27:53,120
that we get within it as well not just

768
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:55,039
from from a uap point of view just from

769
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:56,799
a science point of view and and

770
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,240
searching through the universe i think

771
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:00,720
it's going to be pretty exciting um next

772
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,720
question though john from gareth do you

773
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,799
get frustrated by people who doubt your

774
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,799
um who have doubts about you despite

775
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,640
your qualifications

776
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:11,760
not really um and i i would say this

777
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:12,559
um

778
00:28:17,269 --> 00:28:14,399
i want them to have doubts about me

779
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,279
because that shows me that you're you

780
00:28:22,230 --> 00:28:19,200
care enough

781
00:28:24,789 --> 00:28:22,240
to investigate things for yourself

782
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:24,799
and for me that is the hallmark of a

783
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,640
good analyst

784
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:28,240
that you just don't take things at face

785
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,440
value

786
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,520
you actually dig deep

787
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:33,760
dig deep into sources

788
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:36,640
sourcing is very important

789
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,960
if they don't believe what i say that's

790
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,279
fine by me because i know what i

791
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,399
experienced

792
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:44,399
and i'm not here to convince anyone of

793
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:45,760
my beliefs

794
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:48,720
share

795
00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:51,039
my beliefs or had

796
00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:52,720
similar beliefs then we can have a

797
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,720
conversation that'll be interesting not

798
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:57,360
to say that your belief or my belief

799
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:00,080
is in any way more valid than the other

800
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,279
but i encourage people to when people

801
00:29:08,230 --> 00:29:06,080
say i worked for cia i work for nsa i

802
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,240
work for the government and i know this

803
00:29:12,310 --> 00:29:10,000
about uaps

804
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:12,320
the first thing you should do is try to

805
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,000
get some background on them

806
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,159
and i have released

807
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:19,760
my

808
00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:21,600
resume

809
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:24,159
to certain investigators

810
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,960
like for example whitley strieber has my

811
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:28,960
entire resume

812
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:32,000
um i will be interviewed this sunday by

813
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,919
george knapp

814
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:36,159
he has my resume

815
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,880
and in my resume i have my full name

816
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,440
my full residential address from where

817
00:29:46,310 --> 00:29:43,440
i'm speaking to you now

818
00:29:48,789 --> 00:29:46,320
and my personal cell phone number that's

819
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:48,799
all included plus everything i did in

820
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,279
two pages for the cia and for the odni

821
00:29:57,990 --> 00:29:55,679
so the first thing i would tell people

822
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:58,000
is that if someone says i work for the

823
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,919
cia and it's so secret i can't tell you

824
00:30:07,110 --> 00:30:03,600
i would doubt that person

825
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,120
the reason why is because when i retired

826
00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:09,360
i had to write my resume

827
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:11,919
as an assignment in my retirement class

828
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:14,080
for the office of security

829
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,919
because the office of security

830
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,480
would like to know

831
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,399
what you might say

832
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:22,399
in terms of getting a job outside of

833
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,240
government or even with a defense

834
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,159
contractor

835
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:29,039
you'll have to produce some resume and

836
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,720
they want to review

837
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:32,799
what you say in the resume

838
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,320
so make sure it's not

839
00:30:39,029 --> 00:30:36,720
revealing anything classified so if you

840
00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:39,039
saw my resume you'd be highly impressed

841
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:42,640
with how much detail i put in it

842
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:44,799
with a timeline with the most

843
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:46,880
recent with the odni national

844
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:49,120
counterpart proliferation center and

845
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:51,360
everything i did for the od and i

846
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,279
back to the various directorates in the

847
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,600
cia i work for i went into great detail

848
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:57,840
of what i did

849
00:31:04,950 --> 00:31:01,440
and they should produce that resume

850
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,960
in order to validate themselves and then

851
00:31:08,789 --> 00:31:06,480
with these

852
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,799
resumes in hand you can go back and

853
00:31:13,029 --> 00:31:10,240
start

854
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:13,039
wikipedia as a great friend go to see if

855
00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:15,200
these organizations actually actually

856
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,159
existed and what context do were they

857
00:31:22,230 --> 00:31:19,760
created within

858
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:22,240
the usic

859
00:31:25,350 --> 00:31:23,279
so

860
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,360
i encourage that it doesn't bother me at

861
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:28,000
all at all what bothers me is that

862
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,120
having spent 25 years

863
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,320
in ballistic missile analysis ballistic

864
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:36,240
missile defense

865
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:38,880
anti-ballistic missile analysis when

866
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:42,000
someone tells me oh you know i looked up

867
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,039
on google or whatever source about

868
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:48,320
um hyper glide vehicles

869
00:31:54,310 --> 00:31:50,720
and i know about hyper glide vehicles i

870
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:56,149
you're not qualified to talk to me about

871
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:59,039
hyper glide vehicles someone who spent

872
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:00,720
an entire career

873
00:32:04,470 --> 00:32:02,559
looking at ballistic missiles and their

874
00:32:06,389 --> 00:32:04,480
reentry vehicle systems associated with

875
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:06,399
those ballistic missiles

876
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,039
and so that's when i say stop

877
00:32:12,830 --> 00:32:11,039
you're not qualified

878
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:12,840
at all

879
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,320
but if they're using that as uh some way

880
00:32:21,909 --> 00:32:18,480
to say that i'm not qualified to say

881
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:21,919
what i say or what i really like is that

882
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,720
uh john didn't have the clearances to

883
00:32:28,710 --> 00:32:26,320
know what he knows

884
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:28,720
that is ridiculous because it's a person

885
00:32:32,710 --> 00:32:30,000
who doesn't know how the clearance

886
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,720
system works who doesn't know how you

887
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,399
get right into these programs and how

888
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,559
you get read out of programs and the

889
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:38,880
interlocking relationship between

890
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,480
programs

891
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:42,960
um so

892
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,960
i would say you know look at the

893
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,960
person's resume

894
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:49,200
there's no such thing as i can't talk

895
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,519
about it

896
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:53,200
i think in the subjecting in

897
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,519
conversation john as well there there's

898
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,000
a fine line between opinion and belief

899
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,840
and i think on many of your interviews

900
00:33:04,630 --> 00:33:02,399
i've heard you you tend to

901
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,640
to put the fence up between this is what

902
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,279
i think

903
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,120
through either it's because of a

904
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,919
position or a learned knowledge or or

905
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:13,440
something you maybe can or can't touch

906
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:15,919
on but then there's also i have a belief

907
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,640
through experiences i can't prove it or

908
00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:20,240
i've heard someone saying i think in

909
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:22,640
this subject is very very important what

910
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:24,880
one of my my turn-offs is always when

911
00:33:29,590 --> 00:33:27,200
people mention you know tr3b

912
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,600
as yep that's that's this and it's so

913
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:31,039
definite or i've mentioned before you

914
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:31,919
know

915
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:36,080
and it's until you can provide that

916
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,679
proof and hard evidence it's fine to

917
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:39,519
have that opinion and like me there'll

918
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,279
be things that you say that i think that

919
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,120
sounds really really on the money that

920
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,799
sounds credible and other things i'll

921
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:46,080
think to myself

922
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,519
just because of my opinion on the

923
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,640
subject

924
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,559
i don't know but that's that's fine for

925
00:33:53,990 --> 00:33:51,760
me to have that and you've got to have

926
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:54,000
that healthy conversation but it's when

927
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:55,440
people start to turn

928
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,080
opinions and beliefs into hard facts

929
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,679
that's where the conversations can kind

930
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:01,600
of stop and barriers can be put up so i

931
00:34:06,070 --> 00:34:03,919
appreciate that

932
00:34:08,310 --> 00:34:06,080
um gareth had a follow-on for you though

933
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,320
john and he wanted to know have you ever

934
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,800
undergone hypnosis to understand your

935
00:34:16,069 --> 00:34:13,520
experiences yes uh gareth thank you for

936
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:16,079
that question uh this is very important

937
00:34:19,589 --> 00:34:17,359
um

938
00:34:21,909 --> 00:34:19,599
there is a protocol

939
00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:21,919
by dolores cannon

940
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:24,879
called qhht

941
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:26,800
uh it stands for

942
00:34:30,629 --> 00:34:29,440
quantum i get the h is mixed up so let

943
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:30,639
me just say

944
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:33,119
what qhht might stand for and the hs

945
00:34:36,310 --> 00:34:34,879
might go

946
00:34:39,349 --> 00:34:36,320
sure either way

947
00:34:41,589 --> 00:34:39,359
quantum healing hypnosis technique i

948
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,599
think i got that right quantum healing

949
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:43,520
hypnosis technique uh there are

950
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:45,839
practitioners

951
00:34:49,109 --> 00:34:47,599
uh just about every country because

952
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:49,119
dolores cannon

953
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:50,800
uh internationally

954
00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,159
um had seminars to train

955
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:56,720
already professional

956
00:35:02,230 --> 00:34:59,520
therapists into this modality so these

957
00:35:06,150 --> 00:35:02,240
aren't like people off the street doing

958
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,160
this these are people who've already had

959
00:35:10,069 --> 00:35:08,079
some

960
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,079
therapy certification

961
00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,760
they're licensed to practice what they

962
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:14,160
practice and this is just another tool

963
00:35:23,109 --> 00:35:19,359
for them to use and so i've had qhht

964
00:35:25,109 --> 00:35:23,119
hypnosis regression past life regression

965
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:25,119
and it's been very effective to help me

966
00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:27,200
understand

967
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:29,200
the reasons why i might be experiencing

968
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,040
what i'm experiencing

969
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,720
can you tell the audience anything from

970
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,320
that that kind of came up that maybe

971
00:35:40,550 --> 00:35:36,400
it's not too personal to you

972
00:35:43,190 --> 00:35:40,560
well uh i've already stated that

973
00:35:47,190 --> 00:35:43,200
i remember some things from just

974
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:47,200
my dreams or my visions or whatever

975
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,560
but the other things that um came up

976
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,400
after the fact

977
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:55,599
was what i described uh in a earlier

978
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:56,640
interview

979
00:36:01,670 --> 00:35:59,119
with exo metaverse

980
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:01,680
this is back before anyone knew me um it

981
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:02,560
was

982
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,960
over the spring of last year

983
00:36:07,589 --> 00:36:06,720
where i described

984
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,599
uh

985
00:36:13,030 --> 00:36:09,839
the experience of being born

986
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,040
that was not something that i recalled

987
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:16,400
readily i recalled it in the context

988
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:17,920
of

989
00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:20,240
having this qhht

990
00:36:27,670 --> 00:36:22,560
hypnosis session

991
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:28,550
and

992
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,520
then

993
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,839
looking back at my body

994
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:34,000
and seeing the circumstance

995
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:35,760
of where i was at

996
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,800
turning back around and by the way the

997
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,200
tunnel isn't like completely black for

998
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,240
me it was like a real dark gray that got

999
00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:46,640
progressively lighter

1000
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:49,680
and as i felt this motion

1001
00:36:52,550 --> 00:36:51,760
of this tunnel

1002
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,560
uh

1003
00:36:56,069 --> 00:36:54,640
up ahead of the distance i saw two

1004
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,079
beings of light

1005
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,040
light beings come toward me

1006
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:01,040
and one went to one side of me and the

1007
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:02,720
other went to the other side of me and

1008
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,280
they were there to escort me home

1009
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,599
and i remember being escorted all the

1010
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:09,680
way home where

1011
00:37:15,030 --> 00:37:12,720
this place was more lighter

1012
00:37:16,870 --> 00:37:15,040
and seeing other beings like me like

1013
00:37:19,670 --> 00:37:16,880
beings

1014
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:19,680
and having found that i finally reached

1015
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:22,320
home this is where i came from these are

1016
00:37:27,190 --> 00:37:23,760
my people

1017
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,200
so to speak i'm home but then

1018
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,000
later having to come back to earth

1019
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,720
and not wanting to come back

1020
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:35,359
i resisted coming back but

1021
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:39,119
um a voice on one side said you have to

1022
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,790
and so i was led to see

1023
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:47,040
a vast

1024
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,160
plane

1025
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,359
of

1026
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,480
little

1027
00:37:55,109 --> 00:37:52,320
spheres of light

1028
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:55,119
and one of them was

1029
00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,720
where i picked i want to be

1030
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:01,520
this person and looking into that sphere

1031
00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:04,480
of light i saw this person's

1032
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:07,200
entire life from birth to death

1033
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:09,520
and said this this is the person i need

1034
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,280
to be to do my work to do my mission

1035
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:16,160
and remembering being born at that point

1036
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:17,599
so that was an experience highly

1037
00:38:21,750 --> 00:38:18,640
personal

1038
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:21,760
that i've had under qhht

1039
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,599
and so what does that work what is that

1040
00:38:27,109 --> 00:38:25,040
mission

1041
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,119
it's exactly what i'm doing right now

1042
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,359
speaking with you andy and sharing my

1043
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,520
experiences with others

1044
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,000
so for me it's not about talking about

1045
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,520
uaps

1046
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:37,440
that interests me for me it's talking

1047
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,960
about the experiences and why you're

1048
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:39,920
here

1049
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:42,240
and what the mission

1050
00:38:47,030 --> 00:38:46,079
we have here might be

1051
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:47,040
so

1052
00:38:51,349 --> 00:38:47,839
that's

1053
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,359
incident where and it goes into much

1054
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,400
greater detail but the interest of time

1055
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:56,720
i no no that's not right enough yeah no

1056
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,920
i appreciate that and i would encourage

1057
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:59,440
people to go and listen to that original

1058
00:39:03,109 --> 00:39:01,520
interview as well if it's if it's back

1059
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,119
from when you weren't known and it's a

1060
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,680
podcast i've not heard of myself i'll go

1061
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,960
and check that out and encourage people

1062
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:09,040
to do that too i'll try to find the link

1063
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:10,480
for it actually after this interview

1064
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:11,280
john

1065
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:12,880
i just want to ask one thing because

1066
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,400
that that's a pretty incredible

1067
00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:16,560
experience to talk about and share and i

1068
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,400
appreciate that

1069
00:39:23,349 --> 00:39:20,640
something that some people in this

1070
00:39:25,829 --> 00:39:23,359
subject struggle with as when things

1071
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,839
start to go a little more out there yeah

1072
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,359
especially when you hear talk about past

1073
00:39:31,430 --> 00:39:29,440
lives regressions

1074
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,440
how do you differentiate between

1075
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:34,320
extremely vivid dreams especially in

1076
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:36,079
like a regression state

1077
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,680
as opposed to events that are actually

1078
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,760
happening i'll just give a quick example

1079
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,440
like i i've always had kind of lucid

1080
00:39:46,790 --> 00:39:43,680
dreams most of my life i can have still

1081
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,800
very intense dreams where i can

1082
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,400
feel the ground under my feet i'll touch

1083
00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:50,320
a wall i know i'm dreaming you know i

1084
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:52,079
can stand in water you feel the water

1085
00:39:55,990 --> 00:39:53,680
and i'll have conversations with people

1086
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:56,000
in my dreams fully aware i'm dreaming

1087
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:57,359
that's that's always happened since i

1088
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,920
was a child at what point can you

1089
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,079
comfortably differentiate that i'm

1090
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:05,280
having a genuine experience experience

1091
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,030
for me it's

1092
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:14,069
more

1093
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:15,680
of when

1094
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:18,800
i've had that experience

1095
00:40:23,109 --> 00:40:21,359
and so if i'm in bed

1096
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:23,119
for example

1097
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,079
and it's night and i go to sleep

1098
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:28,160
and between the time

1099
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:32,560
woke up

1100
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:34,880
let's say i remember something of an

1101
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:37,760
extraordinary high strangeness

1102
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,599
well then i can say well that was a

1103
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:41,040
dream

1104
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:47,920
because it seems that the experiences

1105
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,720
tend to happen at night in bedrooms

1106
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,280
you've probably seen many eyewitness

1107
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:55,440
accounts i was in bed

1108
00:40:59,030 --> 00:40:57,440
and a certain time of during the night i

1109
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,040
had this experience

1110
00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:00,880
and i woke up with this experience for

1111
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:03,200
some reason they like bedrooms

1112
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,560
and when they see

1113
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,640
other beings they're in bed and they

1114
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:09,520
have what we call sleep paralysis

1115
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,359
so that tells you right there that they

1116
00:41:15,190 --> 00:41:13,599
were asleep at one time and now they

1117
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:15,200
have some conscious

1118
00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:17,839
awareness of something going on around

1119
00:41:25,109 --> 00:41:22,079
them with some other being or entity

1120
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:25,119
at other times when i'm in meditation

1121
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:28,240
that is unconsciously awake but i place

1122
00:41:33,270 --> 00:41:31,839
myself into a deep meditation

1123
00:41:36,230 --> 00:41:33,280
and then

1124
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,240
i don't like the word download

1125
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,839
because it sounds like i'm a computer

1126
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:39,839
and somebody's programming me it's not

1127
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:41,599
like that but you get a strong

1128
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,760
conviction let's say a really strong

1129
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,359
conviction

1130
00:41:49,190 --> 00:41:47,359
you get these

1131
00:41:50,470 --> 00:41:49,200
images

1132
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:50,480
in

1133
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,640
the third eye let's say

1134
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,480
then i know i'm conscious so that's how

1135
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,880
i differentiate it's mostly like where

1136
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,280
were you when this happened

1137
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,880
and that's the easiest way i can explain

1138
00:42:05,589 --> 00:42:03,839
it

1139
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,599
no i appreciate that

1140
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,119
it's hard when you've not had those

1141
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,359
experiences yourself to

1142
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:11,520
to think what those would be like um so

1143
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:12,880
i appreciate the explanation that'll

1144
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:15,040
help some people and myself

1145
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,960
next question is from joe who's a member

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00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:19,200
of our discord channel and he wants to

1147
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:21,040
know that in a recent interview on

1148
00:42:25,510 --> 00:42:23,440
unidentified celebrity review hi to lu

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00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:25,520
in the gang you talked quite openly

1150
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,680
about sarians and their reptilian

1151
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,680
bloodline is this something you can

1152
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,839
elaborate on are you asserting that

1153
00:42:36,550 --> 00:42:34,000
there are beings from a table reptilian

1154
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,560
bloodline already here on earth well i'm

1155
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:38,400
glad you mentioned that because

1156
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:41,440
previously uh andy you talked about

1157
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,839
things that you're informed of and

1158
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,400
things that are beliefs

1159
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,480
based on experience

1160
00:42:52,950 --> 00:42:50,640
so what i was informed of

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00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,960
without evidence by the way i wasn't

1162
00:42:56,069 --> 00:42:54,640
shown the evidence so i can't give you

1163
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:56,079
the evidence

1164
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,359
i have no evidence but i was informed by

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00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,480
a high official ncia

1166
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:06,640
in a meeting sponsored by another high

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00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:08,560
official ncia

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00:43:13,510 --> 00:43:11,040
with two senior officers and myself

1169
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:13,520
attending that i recognize personally

1170
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:15,040
there could be other cia there that i

1171
00:43:18,710 --> 00:43:16,240
didn't know

1172
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:18,720
and definitely a lot of dot edu

1173
00:43:28,470 --> 00:43:24,390
about

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00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:28,480
cia's interest in alien dna

1175
00:43:33,349 --> 00:43:31,440
now people have said well

1176
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:33,359
since world war ii we didn't sequence

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00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,480
the entire human genome until 1990s i

1178
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,000
agree

1179
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:40,400
but what's to say that

1180
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,280
that discovery was made because

1181
00:43:47,829 --> 00:43:45,760
if you believe in the roswell story if

1182
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:47,839
you're a believer in roswell that a

1183
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,880
crash

1184
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:51,680
happened and that bodies were recovered

1185
00:43:56,790 --> 00:43:54,240
it makes sense to me that those bodies

1186
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,800
may have been stored somewhere

1187
00:44:01,750 --> 00:43:59,599
or if not the body's tissue samples

1188
00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:01,760
stored somewhere

1189
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,319
and that when the technology advanced

1190
00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:05,599
enough

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00:44:08,710 --> 00:44:06,960
for this

1192
00:44:10,790 --> 00:44:08,720
sequencing of

1193
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,800
the alien dna to occur

1194
00:44:14,710 --> 00:44:13,119
that's when they discovered hey

1195
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,720
there are sequences

1196
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,720
that are similar

1197
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,560
if not exact

1198
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,800
to human dna

1199
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,280
i think that is what cia discovered to

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00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,040
the point that then

1201
00:44:29,190 --> 00:44:27,040
uh what i was told again with no

1202
00:44:31,270 --> 00:44:29,200
evidence this is what i was told

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00:44:34,950 --> 00:44:31,280
we had an interest

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00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:34,960
in certain familial lines

1205
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:38,160
that had this enhanced alien dna

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00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:40,319
and that all of us have the

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00:44:47,829 --> 00:44:44,000
alien dna but certain familial lines had

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00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,839
a more enhanced version of this dna

1209
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:49,599
how do i prove that

1210
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:50,880
they didn't present me with any

1211
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,000
documents

1212
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:54,560
i took it on the word of a very senior

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00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,240
cia officer

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00:45:01,030 --> 00:44:58,160
who would have access to that kind of

1215
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,069
and so

1216
00:45:07,349 --> 00:45:04,400
that's that part of the story

1217
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,359
the reptilian sorry in part is again

1218
00:45:10,710 --> 00:45:08,319
uh

1219
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,720
i said that when i experience

1220
00:45:14,790 --> 00:45:12,640
other entities the entities that i

1221
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:14,800
experience tend to be of the reptilian

1222
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:18,079
highly evolved reptilian saurian type so

1223
00:45:24,390 --> 00:45:21,520
i associate aliens with sarians

1224
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,400
now other people who never seen asari in

1225
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,720
their experience but may have seen greys

1226
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,960
may not associate it with sarians and

1227
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:30,800
may say graves

1228
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:33,359
or may say mantis beings but i've never

1229
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,319
had

1230
00:45:38,470 --> 00:45:35,839
extensive experience with those other

1231
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,480
entities mine were sarian reptilians

1232
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,920
highly evolved

1233
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:42,000
so in the slide

1234
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:43,680
how do i present this

1235
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,119
all together

1236
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:48,640
and so i equated it to sarians

1237
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:50,720
with

1238
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,680
dna that may be in us

1239
00:45:57,990 --> 00:45:55,760
so that was that slide and if you

1240
00:46:00,069 --> 00:45:58,000
remember i put a lot of question marks

1241
00:46:01,990 --> 00:46:00,079
in that slide

1242
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:02,000
i put in like

1243
00:46:05,270 --> 00:46:03,200
that

1244
00:46:07,829 --> 00:46:05,280
it's speculation

1245
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,839
but informed in the sense that

1246
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:10,079
i was informed about alien dna

1247
00:46:13,910 --> 00:46:12,400
speculation that it was sorry

1248
00:46:15,670 --> 00:46:13,920
now people come back to me saying you

1249
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,680
can't prove it and i agree with them i

1250
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:18,400
can't prove it if you choose to disable

1251
00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:20,880
disbelieve everything i welcome you to

1252
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,480
do so

1253
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:24,240
um and because i'm not here to

1254
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,560
proselytize or to convey certain beliefs

1255
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:31,040
this isn't a religion you don't have to

1256
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:32,880
believe it

1257
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:34,880
you can appreciate the full scope of

1258
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,040
ufology without actually believing in it

1259
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:41,680
but when people experience things um it

1260
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,200
does bother me that people attack

1261
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:47,440
the other people who are experiencers

1262
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,280
it's their experience and i honor their

1263
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:51,040
experience even though it might not be

1264
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:52,079
mine

1265
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:53,599
it certainly does feel like a religion

1266
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:54,960
though at times john i'm not going to

1267
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:57,040
lie especially in my my short time doing

1268
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:58,800
this it's people are very passionate

1269
00:47:02,069 --> 00:47:00,079
about it and there are a range of

1270
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:02,079
beliefs and i think that's how religion

1271
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:03,680
itself works anyway isn't it that you

1272
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:05,040
can interpret

1273
00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:07,200
one passage of a book in many different

1274
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:09,680
ways and live your life accordingly and

1275
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,599
your opinions and beliefs are shaped by

1276
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:14,240
those so yeah it's it's a very interest

1277
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:15,599
it's an incredible subject and that's

1278
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,599
why i like talking about a breadth

1279
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,440
across it you've answered a few

1280
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:21,040
questions or touched on a few at least

1281
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,839
within your response there so thanks to

1282
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:25,599
tommy um your question was kind of

1283
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:29,040
touched on um dave had a question on

1284
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:30,960
what you were talking about around the

1285
00:47:36,150 --> 00:47:33,760
roswell dna and his question was can you

1286
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:36,160
speak about the implications with regard

1287
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,559
to hybrid dna especially concerning any

1288
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,040
similarities between human dna and the

1289
00:47:44,790 --> 00:47:43,200
dna of the roswell craft occupants which

1290
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,800
you've touched on what are those

1291
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:47,440
implications that we have a similar dna

1292
00:47:51,910 --> 00:47:49,280
to species that are potentially

1293
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:51,920
non-human that is all for this week's

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00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,079
show thank you very much for listening

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00:47:58,549 --> 00:47:55,920
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00:48:25,580 --> 00:48:23,760
looking up you never know what you might

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00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:25,590
see

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is

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[Music]

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00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:28,230
they thought this was noise they thought

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00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:29,760
it was a dream they thought it was my

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00:49:40,990 --> 00:49:31,770
toys

1314
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:50,870
[Music]

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00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:55,480
and what's that

1316
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:00,870
[Music]

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00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:25,270
what's that is

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00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:31,200
[Music]

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it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a